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November 30, 2018 at 10:51 am #157714
November 30, 2018 at 1:17 pm #157729
People were much nicer years ago, and much more thoughtful towards the elderly, and well,,, just everybody as a whole always smiling, and ready for a chat either at A Bus Stop,,, A Mall,,, In A Store,, and Even By The Bus Driver Himself Brother, who i used to sit beside, and chat with them all the time, when i was young lol.
Nowadays,, if you even see anyone about 35, or younger without their heads pointing downwards, and into their phones,,, And unwilling to hold any conversation whatsoever with anyone it seams. 🙁
Just like,,, if you happen to ask them something,, Anything,,, they get a Super Annoyed Look On Their Face, and oftentimes turn around pretending that they did not here you. So Cold Man.
But Like myself for example,,, i,m sure that i sound rude to others at most times bud, but i am truly not a bad guy, i just suck at trying to express myself online. So without others seeing the expression on my face, which is usually a happy go lucky type of goofy smile,, that i sport,,, at least they can then see who i really am, and how i rock.
And The Fact That My First Language is French, sayings that i translate in English in my head before writing ot out, still sounds rude, and like i am giving others orders, and i hate getting Misinterpreted like this, but i cannot blame the others at all,, when what i write is always looking like i am a complete prick, and asshole when i read it afterwards, i can sometimes see, (especially with my lack of words and my lack of sentence structures) Altogether,,, cause it never helps my cause.
Also brother i dislike it so much (now that i am older/wiser) when i argue with others, or when i see people getting picked-on that i sometimes even lose sleep over it. Then, the next day i find myself apologizing to the ones that i tangled with even if i was not wrong for stepping in, or was wrong for calling someone out on their lies. It does not matter cause i usually within a day or two apologize for being part of the melee itself.
November 30, 2018 at 1:29 pm #157730
True. I seem to have noticed this in many people including myself. I remember I was always not too much outgoing but it wasn’t hard for me to make conversation but as I got older and got more and more into technology I started to become more introverted.
I don’t know if it’s either the technology to blame (everyone is busy with their phones these days) or that maybe people are just not very trusting anymore, like they see a stranger and they sense danger. Almost like an animal. Even I started to become like that but now I have noticed this flaw within myself and in many of the people around me.
Also, people lose their cool very easily too particularly on the road.
I don’t know how the future will look like 10 years from now. I think people will be even less social and more rude then.
November 30, 2018 at 5:44 pm #157763
People were certainly more polite and caring in the old days especially in my country
I blame many things for this.:a constant diet of Americana has destroyed the moral fibre of youth here. I was also raised on Americana but it was more wholesome and the Ameri can “Winner takes all” message was not so drummed in to us yet. We helped each other and cared for others more because of it.
Manners and conversational skills were then the mark of the cultured individual. It usually meant they had a brain and compassion /interest in their fellow man.
Manners and conversational skills do not matter anymore as tomorrows’ individuals all communicate through their phones in short sharp bursts of meaningless chatter forgotten within in minutes. Manners and conversational skills have also sufferred due to too many Non-European derived people coming in . Their culture is more mercenary and more stratified/class- based than ours so problems were brought in.Americana of the worst sort also pushed the “winner takes all and fuck the help / employees” mantra in American music and movies.
I can remember when CEOs and all Aussies got in the front seat with the cab driver and had conversations. Anyone that did not was considered a malicious arsehole. What did this do?
This kept the upper- class and lower -class cemented. The CEO felt connected to and was aware of the cabdriver’s plight. It also forced the cab driver to be clean and polite ,learn English and feel a worthwhile member of soceity.
Now with the infux of Subcontinentals ,East Asians and American mores of spitting on the help ,most Australians sit in the back like fat turds in a bubble. The uber fuckery has made this only worse !
I know this may sound strange to UK and US ears but it is absolutely true. Anyone my age here remembers all this.
Our Western countries have been decimated by neoliberal globalist economics. Wages have not risen above inflation since the mid seventies. All gains have gone into the pockets of the employers etc. So a thriving,happy soceity is now crunched and we are approximating the hardships of living in the Subcontinent and in East Asia even before they became rich.
Anyone who thinks the loss of valuable jobs in manufacturing was worth it ,to bring in shitty ones as Uber drivers /deliveryboys,mobile phones sales or telesales needs their head read!
So there you are….a few reasons on why soceity is shitter today.
December 1, 2018 at 12:10 am #157789
Yeah, I agree with everything you said. Do you think society is slowly becoming more and more desentisized and uncaring? Has crime rate increased where you live? Do you feel less safer going outside then you used to? I had always thought that society would get more empathetic and caring as time progresses since in ancient and mediaeval times there was way more barbarity and it was considered acceptable. But for some reason, I think the opposite is also possible where we all one day may go back to being violent savages with the way society is moving forward.
And I think technology will play a huge role in that. People now seem to be more interested in arguing and fighting with people on the net over things that do not matter than having meaningful conversations with people in person, making friends and just putting on a smile in general. India is nowhere as advanced as any of the western countries but I see the internet craze among the middle and upper class youth as well. One of my sisters once came to our house and for the great majority of the time she was busy on her phone while we were eating or drinking and occasionally looking up to talk. People also have problems maintaining eye contact as well. Society is becoming more and more autistic every day.
December 1, 2018 at 12:55 am #157793
It’s all to do with the lack of community spirit nowadays and is the direct result of society becoming highly stratified. At least in my country anyway.
When I was young you had the usual English class system but people were arranged neatly into those classes.
The working class had their trades and their manufacturing roles and had their own communities etc. The middle class had their own office based jobs etc and grammar schools and free university allowed intelligent working class kids to move upwards in life.
The people within those classes were a lot more closer and friendlier to each other back then and neighbours looked out for each other a lot more.
This wasn’t a 100 years ago. I’m talking about the 80’s here so you get the picture of how things changed drastically within a short period of time.
To cut a long story short, the politicians enacted policies that fragmented society into many more layers than just class.
They closed down working class industries and sent the jobs abroad. They brought in millions of immigrants and placed them into formally white working class areas and infiltrated the old political lines so that working class political parties no longer served the working class people.
After the above people had to move around a lot more to find work and affordable housing and so communities became collections of strangers instead and split along political, racial and religious lines.
Nowadays there is a general feeling of mistrust between people and no one has got time for each other anymore. Even the socialising and dating game has changed beyond recognition.
Modern technology has also built a great big wall between people as well so society is a lot more lonelier as a result. I can’t remember the last time I actually had a conversation with somebody whilst using public transport or out shopping because everybody is glued to their phones all the time.
In fact I met my first serious girlfriend whilst riding the train because we were both seated together and talking to pass the time as this was before mobile phones had made their way into everyday life.
Anyway, If all the above wasn’t bad enough you now have to watch what you say and always be on guard because too many people have become snowflakes and libtards and this also contributes to people not wanting to go through the hassle of speaking to each other.
Modern living truly does feel like being a ghost in the machine.
@hindustan, India itself is becoming a lot more industrial and modern these days as well and a new middle class is being created and leaving many poorer Indians behind. Indians now have to travel away from villages and into big cities to find work and survive so I expect that your Indian communities are becoming a lot more fragmented these days as well and you are being divided along more lines than just caste as a result.
All Indians yet all strangers and all divided.
December 1, 2018 at 1:13 am #157797
Very interesting. I think there’s definitely more to it than technology though it is still the main reason for more introvertedness (if that is even a word) in society. Though, “caste” was never an issue where I grew up. I remember my father and my uncles were very sociable with everybody. Like you could leave my dad for two minutes with a person he never met before, and he would have made him laugh and known everything about him in that time. He talked to everybody and he was friendly with everyone even the peons. That’s one of the things I have always been told by older people that the secret to success in any job isn’t your knowledge or IQ, it’s just how you interact with people and handle situations. This is why it isn’t always the most knowledgeable people who get promotions but the wisest who understand human psychology and emotions and know how to act in situations. Most of our academic knowledge is worthless.
With the internet, politics is so overblown and the media does a good job at making sure the people keep talking about it and make sure it’s in their minds at all times. So everything is political, everything is a race issue, everything is a religious issue.
December 1, 2018 at 5:35 am #157823
Without getting too deep, I’d say people were far nicer back in the 70s,80s and 90s. They actually spoke to one and other face to face, which has more or less died out. Neighbours were friends, knew each other and looked out for one and other.
Social media has a lot to answer for with regards to the breakdown of the above attitudes and actions, people have become disconnected, which is kind of ironic.
The very fabric of society is being torn apart by the very mechanisms that were designed to connect it. Hence the social upheavals which grow by the day.
December 1, 2018 at 6:27 am #157832
True. I thought about this a lot. I wouldn’t want my children to have access to the internet since I had been exposed to it mainly in my teens and that really prevented me from being more social for many years. That and video games but at least with video games you get some type of entertainment, internet is just a complete fuck up with people arguing and bashing their keyboards everywhere or taking everything too seriously.
December 3, 2018 at 3:53 pm #158254
December 4, 2018 at 6:19 am #158387
Sometimes the question asked is more revealing than the responses it triggers. That things used to be so much better and the here-and-now is rotten to the core is an ancient theme, and the philosophers of crisis, whether Gasset, Spengler, or Guénon, have been peddling the notion of progressive degeneration for more than a hundred years. There is even a ludicrous apocryphal repeated ad nauseam by those who clearly never read Plato, according to which Socrates lambasted the moral corruption of the youth while lauding the nobility of the bygone times when it all was supposedly so much better. Men and women are inclined – some would even go so far as to say that they are programmed – to romanticise the past or the time of their youth; in and of itself it is a harmless mental exercise, but you should never allow it to inform your socio-historical understanding. In some cultures, not least the Hindu, such an outlook is hypostasised into a cosmological fact, as illustrated by the progressive degeneration from Krita to Kali Yuga according to the Puranas. Those who stand in closer temporal proximity to golden age are deemed of higher social worth than those who are situated farther away from it, i.e., the idea of filial piety and the authority accorded to the council of elders in many non-Western cultures. Marx and Hegel are opposed to any notion that could engender a line of reasoning leading one towards the conclusion that the past was better than what the present has to offer us. According to Hegel, it is part and parcel of the dynamic nature of culture to outgrow the principles on which it rests and those who view this departure from the principles as a social scandal are the old farts who’ll soon be dead anyway. In other words, past-versus-present is a false dichotomy and a cheap diversion from the social challenges facing us. Your question has no answer and it is a question that shouldn’t be asked in the first place.
December 8, 2018 at 8:41 am #159236
I’m aware that most human beings in general romanticize the past, particularly their childhood once they get old. One day even the 12 year olds of today would be saying “back in my day” and talking to the younger people about how tough it was back in their time and blah blah blah. Nostalgia is a very strong feeling and we all get overcome by it sometimes.
But even putting all that aside, I think internet and social media definitely has had some sort of impact on how people act these days. Before the rise of social media, people were spending more time outdoors but now people are so preoccupied with the internet to the point where their entire lives revolve around it and this isn’t just common among the younger people.
December 8, 2018 at 11:21 am #159260
There is romanticising the past and there is proven fact. Most first world people born post world war 2 but prior to the 90’s tend to belong to the latter.
Between the 60’s and the mid 90’s employment and the cost of living within the first world was reasonable and one could easily afford to buy and own property regardless of social class.
Employment was also plentiful and one could easily leave a job and find and enter another within days.
Nowadays finding work in the first world is a shit show because the entire fucking world is now allowed to compete against you regardless of birth right or skill level. All that matters is will you work cheap.
Purchasing an house within the first world now costs well over 15 times more than the average salary whereas I personally sold my own house that I bought in London during the 90’s for £450,000 more than I paid for it so that should tell you all you need to know about the differences.
Globalisation and neo-liberalism has made modern life a misery and a constant slugfest not seen since the times of picket lines and serfdom.
The above is why I both laugh at and cry for the young British anti-Brexit lot who are very desperate to remain within the EU and who will do everything they can to prevent Brexit.
Brainwashed slaves with Stockholm syndrome is all they are.
December 9, 2018 at 7:06 am #159590
“There is romanticising the past and there is proven fact.”
You can romanticise something irrespective of its actuality or ideality, i.e., romanticising a ‘proven fact’ entails no contradiction. In your clumsy attempts at positing a contradiction you ended up positing your own stupidity, but that is only to be expected from an atrophied old fart like you. As for your remaining waffle, you go about with your ‘analysis’ with such a broad brush as to render your ‘reflections’ utterly pointless; so generic are they that you would say more by keeping your gob shut than by letting it run. By the way, I was intrigued by your juxtaposition of ‘picket lines’ and ‘serfdom’; conjuring forth such anachronistic imagery is obviously an easy feat for someone who entertains in earnest the plausibility of the grotesque thesis that Prophet Mohammed may have been a low-caste Indian.
December 9, 2018 at 7:49 am #159604
You really are a dim bulb and you’re stalking me again.
I was talking to Hindustan and not you in case you hadn’t noticed.
In my book romanticising means to idealise and make more appealing than truth so I don’t really care what interpretation you personally stick to and stand by.(Yawn).
Anyway, I am not romanticising the past if the things I am talking about were everyday parts of the past that I personally experienced firsthand and not idealised fantasy.
In the above I am not making anything seem more appealing than it actually was I am stating actual facts experienced by those of us who lived through those times so once again you are getting caught up in semantics that matter to no one but yourself.
The rest of your comment is waffle and you would say more by keeping your mouth shut.(yawn).
“conjuring forth such anachronistic imagery is obviously an easy feat for someone who entertains in earnest the plausibility of the grotesque thesis that Prophet Mohammed may have been a low-caste Indian“.
Not as silly as one who entertains in earnest the plausibility of the University of Hull being located in Glasgow.
Move on silly boy.
December 9, 2018 at 8:18 am #159608
If you are merely going to throw my own expressions back at me, you need to ascertain that there is an adequate degree of commensurability in place; your comebacks are woefully lethargic.
Another instance of your slipshod thinking:
“I am not romanticising the past if the things I am talking about were everyday parts of the past that I personally experienced firsthand and not idealised fantasy.”
Such a retort is completely beside the point as it fails miserably in terms of addressing the raised objection.
It’s obviously very hard for you to stay focused during a discussion. But worry not: you’re not the only one – ya old fart.
December 9, 2018 at 10:12 am #159638
“If you are merely going to throw my own expressions back at me, you need to ascertain that there is an adequate degree of commensurability in place”.
There was. We are both talking shit and therein lies the common standard.
“Such a retort is completely beside the point as it fails miserably in terms of addressing the raised objection“.
The only objection you had was to my existence, the rest of your waffle was just filler material used to justify it after the fact.
However, just in case I misunderstood you here please do explain as clear as you can the nature of your objection so that I can better understand the rock from which you crawled out from.
“It’s obviously very hard for you to stay focused during a discussion”.
Naturally. I am a drunkard after all.
December 4, 2018 at 2:55 am #158349
Thanks Hindustan for inviting me to your forum page. I can contribute much since I changed countries too many times but my impression is… Technological advances allowed us to keep in contact with old friends and family… It made the world small. In the other hand, big cities makes you disconnected from your immediately surroundings… Who knows who my neighbors are??!
December 4, 2018 at 6:25 am #158388
I mean to say “I can’t contribute…” 😛
December 8, 2018 at 8:47 am #159238
December 8, 2018 at 10:03 am #159251
Hahahaa! This is so accurate! Londoners are an ignorant bunch of twats. I don’t know if it’s something specific to people living in such a large city. We don’t have any comparably big cities in the UK to compare it to.
There was an article recently that stated that children under 2 in London are the least likely to have ‘thank you’ or ‘sorry’ amongst their first words, so the situation doesn’t look like it will improve! Babies in East Anglia, the West Midlands and Northern Ireland (yeooo!) are most likely to have it in their early vocabulary.
December 8, 2018 at 2:40 pm #159322
December 8, 2018 at 11:20 am #159259
It’s a very tricky question. We could say that people are colder and more polite at the same time with this whole PC invasion. I think that under it all most people are good and kind, even the wankers and ignorant cunts.
I watched the movie ‘Three Billboards’ just the other night. You know how the dick cop in it realizes the error of his ways?
Most people are just too damn busy and too damn sober. But when someone meets with crisis it’s usual for others to exceed their normal standards and rally for to help and encourage that someone.
Come to Éire, land of a thousand welcomes, where strangers wave at you and ask a million questions.
We have a saying goes, “I don’t know ye, but I’ll wave at ye.”
December 8, 2018 at 6:59 pm #159351
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From my own perspective, the world is full of good people. But it’s also full of bags of dicks. Some of those dicks will.never change. Some will. But I can tell you, some people just want to watch the world burn. Some want to burn.
I’m a small, skinny person that isn’t very tall. I look much younger than I am. I met a few bags of dicks who pushed me over and started taunting me about going back to the middle school (I was at the store across the street from the.high school). They thought I was a freshman. I guess their targets usually don’t whisper “harder” when being stepped on. Needless to say, they left me alone after that. Their faces were priceless and their dickly nature nullified.
December 8, 2018 at 7:08 pm #159353
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