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  • #123954

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    This guy goes after the more extreme of the online MGTOW community. He has no problem with the concept but finds the endless discussions by MGTOW about women as ridiculous as I do. He recognizes that the number one subject discussed by MGTOW is women and that’s not being free.
    He also points out the hypocrisy of pump n dump thinking. And points out how much these extreme MGTOW act just like feminists.
    I think it’s a great video that could make serious MGTOW realize how wasteful it is to simply bash women when you could be living your life.

  • #124065

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    @itsplaster

    He was certainly an interesting one. I can understand why you posted it and your reasons for doing so in that you see the extremes of any position to be a bit silly but that young lad doesn’t seem to quite realise that he is a mirror image of everything he appears to despise. Perhaps he accidentally swallowed both the red and blue pills to end up so confused.

    After reading one comment by one random person he says,

    “Translation. I’m an idiotic 17 year old that doesn’t understand anything about real life so when I watch one video on the internet on random I decide to change my entire world view based on the ramblings of some lunatic in the comment section“.

    Yet there he is, an idiotic young lad himself, basing his entire view of the so called “extremes” of MGTOW on some random person’s ramblings in a internet comment section.

    In response to this comment,

    “Also MGTOWs are allowed to create their own way of living, Every MGTOW I know has their own definition of what MGTOW is”.

    He goes on to answer it by saying,

    “If every MGTOW has their own definition then why even bother having a label why not just live your life the way you want”.

    How on Earth he can accuse anybody else of not understanding anything about real life when he himself fails to realise the bloody obvious that people of varying disagrees of similarly held ideology will rally together under a single banner out of sheer single minded tribalism and self-preservation and have done so for thousands of years. Birds of a feather flock together as they say.

    Antifa for example still rally themselves under the leftwing liberal banner despite having a different worldview to the more classic leftwing liberals.

    He further says,

    “if you want to be left alone to live your lifestyle the way you want to then you should probably let other people do the same. If you don’t want to get married or live with a woman that’s fine but don’t tell others how to live their lives.”.

    Yet here he is again. Not leaving people alone by hanging around MGTOW comment sections and making videos about them, telling them how to live their lives.

    Again. He goes on to say,

    “A good majority of what I see is people parroting diatribe they’ve heard somewhere else. The problem here is not the lifestyle of freedom they supposedly want to live It’s the superiority complex that comes with it where you actually believe that you are somehow more enlightened than the rest of society”.

    Bloody hell. All he has been doing all throughout his video is parroting the shit he’s read and heard elsewhere and dares talk about the MGTOWs superiority complex and “enlightened” attitudes when he has spent the entirety of his video mocking them and picking apart their grammar usage and spelling mistakes in a condescending manner and then using it to place himself above them in order to look down on them so as to scoff at them.

    His entire argument seems to be that he wants MGTOWs to leave other people alone and stop forcing their views on them and yet fails to take in the liberals own ideological reasoning that only those with privilege and power can oppress others and in our society as it stands today MGTOW’s have far less privilege and power than the feminists do because they occupy less positions of influence and control(schools, universities etc) and are therefore doing little to no harm hanging around their own comment sections parroting things.

    Perhaps he should take a leaf out of his own book and leave MGTOW’s alone. You would think he would considering that he came across as the mirror image of that which he was supposedly rallying against.

    I am not a MGTOW myself personally even though I do agree with a number of their sentiments. I also agree with some of the ideological comparisons between MGTOW and feminism.

    Still, a psychologist would have a field day with the young lad who made this video. Talk about the projecting complaining about the projecting. He was more of a shite knight than a white knight.

    • #124073

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      @empty-soul I knew by posting this video, there was a good possibility of it being picked apart. I found the creator calling a MGTOW “a lunatic” and the grammar Nazi bit to be useless and more of a personal attack than making real sense. And I knew his missteps would stand out.
      That being said, I decided to post anyway because the core message is something I agree with. The online MGTOW community is obsessed with women. And their message gets radical sometimes. Turd Flinging Monkey, a MGTOW YouTuber, says woman should have their rights completely taken away “like in Saudi Arabia” so they cannot divorce their husbands. When other men agree with this simply out of bitterness, it’s a concern. I don’t think it’s about going their own way. I think it’s a desire to destroy women in many cases. I’m not being at all dramatic.

      • #124160

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        “That being said, I decided to post anyway because the core message is something I agree with. The online MGTOW community is obsessed with women. And their message gets radical sometimes“.

        “When other men agree with this simply out of bitterness, it’s a concern. I don’t think it’s about going their own way. I think it’s a desire to destroy women in many cases. I’m not being at all dramatic“.

        @itsplaster

        The issue I hold with it is one of equality and it creates the question “why shouldn’t they be able to”.

        There are many areas of the internet and many social spaces in real life where women group together and obsess over men. Wherein their message gets radical sometimes and other women agree simply out of bitterness.

        You could also say that feminism is not about equality, merely a desire to destroy men in many cases.

        I have to conclude then that if feminism is allowed room to exist and breathe then so should MGTOW be able to.

        You can disagree with MGTOW all you want and that’s fine but one cannot deny it’s existence without denying women the right to hold similar views and to have similar social spaces and communities.

        Personally I had never even heard of MGTOW until modern day radical feminism reared its ugly head. My guess then is that it is some kind of opposition movement looking to readdress what they see as gender unbalances in everyday society and naturally like every other group there exists extremist elements.

        As I said though, MGTOW are small in number and hold way less power and influence than the radical feminists and liberals who have infiltrated state and education.

        The liberals said it themselves, only those in institutional positions of power and influence can oppress. MGTOW’s therefore are not oppressing anyone by just existing.

        As for the actual core tenets of MGTOW. I hardly see how men refusing to share their life with women somehow translates into a desire to destroy women unless of course one is making the argument that women cannot function without men which of course would directly counter the claims that feminists make worldwide.

        I can understand the incel culture being accused of being an actual danger to women but MGTOW seems to translate to less danger towards women since the prevalent argument in our society at large seems to be that men are the domestic abusers by a large majority thus the removal of men from the equation would surly remove the dangers as well, no?.

        In real life though I have never actually met anyone who has referred to themselves as a MGTOW before. In fact society has been structured so that heterosexual men get mocked and shamed if they are not seen to be active with women.

        In the above, is MGTOW really that upsetting and dangerous considering it’s lack of activeness and lack of overall power and influence in everyday life?. Should MGTOW not be allowed a few online spaces to bash women even though women are allowed plenty of spaces to bash men?.

        If women can be allowed the above but men can’t then perhaps MGTOW have a point, no?.

      • #124161

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        @empty-soul

        I disagree with man-hating radical feminists in the same way as I disagree with women-bashing radical MGTOW. I think @itsplaster is probably in the same boat?

        I don’t think any of these secretive, surly, obsessive pockets of hatemongering on the internet are healthy, that’s how all violent radicalism is born. You have all these bitter and jaded people together, feeding eachothers paranoia and delusion until someone goes pop.

        If I could call an end to radical feminism, believe me I would in a heartbeat. And I accept your right to your opinions while it’s allowed to flourish. If feminism was made illegal tomorrow though, would it change your point of view on MGTOW?

      • #124189

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        @lady-lexis

        “I don’t think any of these secretive, surly, obsessive pockets of hatemongering on the internet are healthy, that’s how all violent radicalism is born. You have all these bitter and jaded people together, feeding eachothers paranoia and delusion until someone goes pop“.

        The above kind of thing as been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years though, groups getting together and bolstering each other.

        Politics, religion and sports are some of the mainstream versions of it. Other than that you get the rightwing nationalist groups pocketing together and feeding each others hate and the leftwing extremists with their Antifa groups and such. The list is endless.

        The above makes it so one cannot just pick and choose who gets to exist or not because you will have one side always trying to destroy the opposition even when there is no illegality involved because that’s what opposing ideologies do.

        “If feminism was made illegal tomorrow though, would it change your point of view on MGTOW?”.

        Yes. But not in the way you might think though.

        I actually have no problem with feminism or man haters in general. I may choose to disagree with them but I am not going to police their thoughts like the far-left Spanish Inquisition types.

        They are free to think how they want so long as it doesn’t start to harass and hurt me. My problem is when it does.

        Feminism is currently powerful as a result of socio-political assistance which is why men are losing their jobs for silly things like making stupid jokes. For example there was a professor in America recently who lost his job when a woman in a lift asked him what floor he wanted and he said “woman’s lingerie section”. She complained and he got fired.

        You also have examples of gay men getting bakers fired for not making pro-gay cakes and teachers getting fired for not using the correct pronouns when addressing students who identify as something else. The list goes on.

        The point I am making is that these groups be it feminism, MGTOW, the transsexuals and pan-sexuals, the 55 different genders squad etc only become an actual problem when they are given socio-political power to bully, intimidate and destroy the larger majority and/or other people in general.

        Feminism currently has that power, MGTOW does not.

        To conclude, if the radical feminists were to be removed from the power they currently hold and use against others I would have no problem with their existence just like I have no problem with MGTOW.

        As it stands radical feminists are a minority group and yet they get given preferential treatment over all others.

      • #124191

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        “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public.”

        Adam Smith

      • #124332

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        Well said @masterplan.
        He also advocated utilities or Essential services being in gov hands and never privatized ie health,education,electricity,water,police,army,food standards but you will never hear a fatfuck neoliberal globalist talk you about this ever!

      • #124195

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        @empty-soul

        “The above kind of thing as been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years though, groups getting together and bolstering each other.”

        This is true, of course but the bolstering has not always been to the same ends. We would have had no equal rights movements (including women’s suffrage) at all if it weren’t for these kinds of counter-mainstream attitudes and activists. The problem is that nowadays, the extreme elements of feminism and MGTOW are not about equality and more about suppression.

        Feminism went too far and started to turn against, villify and suppress men just for being men and in reponse, we have MGTOW. Radical feminists have no-one but themselves to blame for that; they have antagonised and provoked the opposite sex to the detriment of every normal woman alive. Both factions need to just piss off and let us just get on with being human beings sharing a planet again. It’s infuriating.

      • #124333

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        Could not have said it better myself.
        @lady-lexis

      • #124316

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        @empty-soul @lady-lexis Since I definitely think radical feminism and MGTOW are opposite sides of the same coin, I’m against the man-hating bs, the lies about abuse and rape, changing the rules so women can play – that all drives me crazy. So, I think both groups are shit aside from a few well-intentioned people that probably never speak up.
        It’s simply a personal annoyance that the online MGTOW community says they’re through with women but they aren’t. Women are their favorite subject. That hurts no one but just makes them seem like they’ll never really wrestle their balls away from women. But if that makes them happy… it doesn’t. But it’s their lives.

      • #124320

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        `I agree . Mgtow sounds too much like “cutting off your nose to spite your face” to ever become mainstream.
        @itsplaster

      • #124337

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        @itsplaster
        I suppose the constant discussion of women by MGTOW can be put down to trying to ‘spread the word’ and advance the cause of the movement. I imagine the discussions in feminist circles now are similarly orientated around men. I say now as I do think the original women’s rights groups probably talked more about their own gender issues, as it should be.

        I do agree with @empty-soul that the ‘incels’ seem to pose a more immediate danger to women. It strikes me as a culture where a pathological hatred of women could be nurtured and fuelled. That sense of entitlement to sex with women could lead to some very dangerous behaviour.

      • #124340

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        All that I “preach” is do not marry, until you really know them (or ever)… and an early child can fuck up your entire life… because the system is rigged on women’s side (and I like to point where the flaws are). How that triggers woman to consider it a threat that needs to be stopped do bothers me. These are only defensive measures. You take one comment for comedic purposes @itsplaster, like “women should have no rights” from a youtube video and here you are treating feminists and MGTOW like they are the same. FEMINISTS have power, if Empty soul can’t convince you girls… I can’t expect to do better. I agree with you @lady-lexis that we need these groups… SO WE CAN HEAR THEIR CLAIMS… that’s how society works. MGTOW is indeed about the threats of women Itsplaster, what do you expect them to do? talk about football?? this is another club… that women are free to join.

      • #124361

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        @masterplan TFM’s comment about taking away women’s rights was not for comedic purposes. He was totally serious.

      • #124368

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        I like some of his videos, most I don’t, and I didn’t come across this one. In all honesty, he has less business on this subject than you or me…. BECAUSE HE IS GAYYYYY 🙂 Some youtubers are funny (MGTOW 101), other are just serious (Sandman), TFM is plain brute, he probably hates woman since he was 12.

      • #124389

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        Sandman is shit. He’s one of the most repugnant people online. If he doesn’t have the facts, he fabricates them. And he doesn’t just make up a little lie. He invents an entire backstory for people he’s never met but wants to trash. @masterplan

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by  itsplaster. Reason: Added username
      • #124412

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        Welcome to the internet Itsplaster, but I don’t really like him ether. I will probably sound ass kissing… but I did told you before, I have a lot of fun with Marks comments. Try bearing, he is not MGTOW… he just love to bash feminists and SJW. I would be very pissed if I was watching feminist channels… mgtow is no threat, just skip it and you will be fine.

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by  MasterPlan.
      • #124344

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        @itsplaster

        “Since I definitely think radical feminism and MGTOW are opposite sides of the same coin, I’m against the man-hating bs, the lies about abuse and rape, changing the rules so women can play – that all drives me crazy“.

        They are equal in terms of role reversal but not in terms of socio-political power and influence. To use your coin analogy, if MGTOW was heads and feminism was tails and you flip the coin into the air the coin would land on tails the vast majority of the time because the odds have been heavily slanted that way.

        In the above scenario society is the casino and feminism currently has control of the house. MGTOW(men go their own way) are the players then that resent the way the game is currently stacked against them and have decided to play no more. Preferring instead to sit at the casino bar with whisky in hand and their money firmly within their own pocket.

        To get back to real life here. Modern day feminism is not the same as feminism of old. In the past feminism was about gaining equality with men at a time when they didn’t have the right of vote or the right to own property.

        Today’s feminism however is all about gaining preferential treatment and it is a treatment they often attempt to leverage by playing the weak lily card. “I am a poor, weak easily manipulated victim and have suffered greatly at the hands of the strong wolf-like savage men” as opposed to the suffragette movements etc “I am a strong, intelligent and capable woman and I demand to be treated as equal to men”.

        To conclude. Modern day feminism is the same as niggers etc playing the race card every chance they get knowing full well it gains them advantage where otherwise there would be none.

        The males however get told that they have “privilege” simply for being born male even when they don’t have a pot to piss in financially speaking. This in turn puts them at an automatic disadvantage.

        Anyway. To finish up this particular rant. It is not surprising that MGTOW exist and that they bitch about women. Why wouldn’t they given the circumstances?.

        “It’s simply a personal annoyance that the online MGTOW community says they’re through with women but they aren’t. Women are their favorite subject. That hurts no one but just makes them seem like they’ll never really wrestle their balls away from women. But if that makes them happy… it doesn’t. But it’s their lives“.

        I keep vowing to give up drinking and yet alcohol never seems to escape my mind.

        The point being that it is next to impossible to escape the object of confliction because it’s very existence is tied to our own current sense of self.

        With MGTOW that current confliction causes an angered distancing whereas with incel culture for example the confliction causes an angered pursuit. MGTOW aren’t sexless and they are not all choosing to become gay any time soon but they are however unwilling to play the game at the current level and rules society has set for them so naturally they aren’t through with women altogether and forever as you say.

        I guess the moral of the story is that everyone should be allowed a place and space to rant and blow off steam if they aren’t actually hurting anyone. It’s what I use Bestgore for, lol.

      • #124388

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        @empty-soul I agree that people should have a place to blow off steam. Since MGTOW and a general critique of all things female are represented on this site to a much larger extent than any that might frown upon the action’s on some men’s groups, I think occasionally pointing out a problem with said groups is pretty fair. However, I am prepared for the backlash that I know will come with it. To just speak without rebuttal is a luxury I rarely have. So, hopefully you’ll understand if I disagree with you regarding the comparison between radical feminists and MGTOW. In and of themselves, your responses are a fraction of the negative attitude that those who criticize MGTOW face; while the notion of “all women are (negative quality)” go unchallenged. I suppose it’s different if you’re on a site more geared toward liberals. Unfortunately, those places don’t interest me.

      • #124433

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        @itsplaster

        “I think occasionally pointing out a problem with said groups is pretty fair. However, I am prepared for the backlash that I know will come with it. To just speak without rebuttal is a luxury I rarely have. So, hopefully you’ll understand if I disagree with you regarding the comparison between radical feminists and MGTOW“.

        Like I said before @itsplaster, you can criticise any group or people all you want. You are free to disagree or agree with anything and anybody and I am never going to attempt to police your thoughts.

        My argument is purely one of equality in that just as you are free to do the above so are men via MGTOW and such.

        Personally I consider respectable debate like we have been doing to be a net positive. There is no point in holding it all in nor indeed becoming entrenched and jaded out of fear of opposition.

        Get it all out and talk and debate it. You will be met with opposition of course but then you always will in any corner of the internet, society and life in general. If you learn to roll with the punches though and not be afraid to take another look at your own arguments and convictions you will find that you end up a far stronger person as a result.

        “In and of themselves, your responses are a fraction of the negative attitude that those who criticize MGTOW face; while the notion of “all women are (negative quality)” go unchallenged. I suppose it’s different if you’re on a site more geared toward liberals. Unfortunately, those places don’t interest me“.

        You hit the nail on the head. I surf liberal websites regularly in order to understand them better and for comedic purposes of course as they are all so very silly and in my experience they are 100 percent anti MGTOW and 100 percent pro-women 100 percent of the time.

        Bestgore is not the norm. In fact we are pariahs socially speaking. In this sense there exists far more anti MGTOW websites than there exists anti-women ones.

        I am curious then @itsplaster as to why those places don’t interest you. In fact you interest me, lol.

        What draws you to here as a female and why does the masculinity overdrive that exists here conflict with your core principles personally?.

        Also, why do you find liberals and their websites uninteresting as opposed to us?.

        The above questions are open to the lovely @lady-lexis as well.

      • #124575

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        @empty-soul I’m not interested in liberal sites because they exist mostly to talk about liberal shit. This is a gore channel. The sexism and racism were just, um, bonuses. I didn’t join for that stuff. I came for the gore.

      • #124764

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        @empty-soul

        The gore brought me here and keeps me here. I’ve been coming here for years but haven’t really said a dicky bird to anyone. Getting into the forums for the first time was… an eye opener.

        I consider myself a pretty fair, pragmatic and objective person but not at all politcally minded. Those kind of conversations go over my head for the most part so they didn’t interest me. What did stand out was the hatefulness, a lot of hatefulness. I was quite shocked on a regular basis at reading some comments and opinions on here but as time went on, the shock factor was less and less.

        So just like repeat visits to rotten.com and here have desensitised me towards gore, the forums here have desensitised me towards other things! I’m not ever going to be an angry, hatefilled or even political person but I’m glad to have access to other perspectives on life. I like that people say what they think, with no thought to hurting feelings, zero bullshit. It’s a refreshing change from the saturation of shite on social media.

      • #124825

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        Thanks girls. @lady-lexis Mom knows I’m depressed so she constantly sent me these videos of Africa, blind or crippled kids pics, random fucked up people to cheer me up… “I know the world is in shambles mom. Lets just talk , please stop sending me that crap.” but to no avail. So last time my parents were here I showed her this place …briefly. She did stop sending me those fucked up texts, I don’t know if she got the correct message tho. Lol

        There is indeed a lot of hatred in here, but plenty is also for shock and comedic reasons. It takes some time to learn the difference, but comments can indeed be as shocking as the videos themselves. I like the learning and sharing of ideas, and the forums are a great place for that.

      • #124830

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        @lady-lexis

        If I am wrong forgive me but I do get the feint impression that you are both drawn to harsh reality as opposed to emotionally convenient lies because you are both tired of deceptive social environments that always placate via words and semantics rather than life changing action.

        The gore of course is one facet of that reality but the unrestrained, opinionated discussion that exist here is another.

        Liberal websites are mostly kids and emotionally weak/dependant adults engaging in group think as a means of avoiding and rejecting reality and whilst Bestgore members do sometimes go overboard, myself included, and engage in group think most of our interactions are indeed what we truly think and feel and all the ugliness and viciousness that goes along with it.

        Human beings are messy, self absorbed creatures. We are ugly and vicious and hateful and horrible. However, we are also kind and considerate, loving and passionate as well etc.

        Bestgore is therefore humanity without the mask. The ego without the restraint. The free-will without the fear of repercussion.

        This website is indeed horrible. Horrible and truthful.

        The above necessitates the question, is leftwing semantics more gratifying than the truth of humanity?. Or is the truth of humanity, no matter how painful, more gratifying than the sweet sounding lie?.

        I find myself drawn to harsh reality personally.

  • #124082

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    @itsplaster Don’t you have a husband home, pretty lady? You have nothing to be concerned about MGTOW, it is not a threat to you in any way whatsoever! There will be some consequences for society if the word spreads. Less divorce, less marriages, less kids and less single mothers. As for the video, I make Empty Soul’s words my own.

    • #124094

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      @masterplan Of course you make his words your own. I highly doubt you watched the video.
      Just like MGTOW look out for other guys, I look out for other women. And if a group thinks we’d be better off with no rights, then I oppose that. And maybe I won’t always be married. My husband might pass (I pray not) and I’d be single. Would I probably want to remarry down the road? Yes. Just as I’d want him to if I passed. So, it concerns me in more ways than one.

      • #124130

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        @itsplaster, should I not reply to your posts whenever I don’t agree with them?? It concerns me people might think when I agree with someone I’m just trying to be buddies and when I don’t I’m just inflating my ego at the expense of others. Regarding your video… this was some 13 min you own me. It was that awful! Like trying to bash Atheism by going to a high school and interviewing a kid who is excited about it, but literally only learn about Atheism yesterday. Not only I saw the video, I certainly read Empty Souls comments… look at the size of it. It doesn’t give me much room to extend.

        I’m thinking as I write, not sure if it is the best comparison…. but I will compare it to Karate. The Idea is to help people to protect itself. Yes, it can be misused here and there and few nice girls feeling hurt… but overall… with the experience that I have, It is a risk I’m willing to take. Too many men had their lives ruined by cunts, their kids lives together with it… because true cunts are not a insignificant part of this group we call women and depending on the culture, they make up the bulk of it.

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        Fucking hell @masterplan… your English is excellent! I wish i could speak Portuguese as well as you speak English! Prick!

      • #124153

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        Auto-correct sure helps giving you that impression @hopingfornemesis, as for being a prick… I’m not so sure. There so much I could add like: You should have a B plan for the job you have, not the relationship you’re in! But it would get me totally screwed with her! Lol.
        Please don’t be mad @itsplaster… I will behave. 😛

        MGTOW

  • #124406

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    @itsplaster There are different degrees of MGTOW. I don’t believe in treating women like dirt. I wouldn’t “Pump ‘n dump” I see no point in it. There’s so much exploring to do together which we can’t do if i just leave after one night.
    I simply know what i don’t want. I don’t want babies. I don’t want a woman moving in with me. I don’t want to live under her feet and i don’t want her in my face 24/7.
    Meet up, have fun then get on with our lives until a few days go by and you feel like meeting up again. I wouldn’t be with anyone else while we’re apart because i have no need to. To me that’s basically my version of MGTOW. To know what i want and don’t want and not be swayed when she decides to change the contract mid term so to speak. ANY mention of babies and she’s gone…or i’m gone.

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      Nice piece of writing @sloth12. I agree with you. What you have described is quite a mild form of mgtow that i believe many women can live with. Best of luck.

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      MasterPlan
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      Have two, and LET THEM KNOW! Its is the same principle of capitalism… they will be concerned to piss you off, and compete to please you. When you have just one… they became lazy, and start acting like people working for public services, entitled and unafraid to lose her job. 😉

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    MasterPlan
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    @hopingfornemesis You really have the knowledge and an answers for all that I write on the forums 🙂 I was pointing on how those groups inevitably cooperate among themselves. Indeed is a very interesting what you said and I don’t remember that at all… I will head to investigate! 🙂 Sorry I didn’t reply… I just didn’t want to break the line of discussion. In the end, I guess this quote belonged on another post.

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      Hoping for Nemesis
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      No problem brother. You can reply when you wish if at all.

      I am sure i have forgotten to reply to some people even at the best of times.

      @masterplan

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